Why the Koreans and Israelis are Twenty Times More Productive

SIXTY ONE LONG YEARS have ticked after India obtained freedom from British rule, and we have wasted every one of them in having failed to erect correct systems to free Indians from the clutches of poverty, malnutrition, ignorance and unemployment. Even to this day India remains economically, politically and socially challenged. Freedom from the British seems to have morphed into a license for languishing in darkness. Even to this day, the only thing worth telling foreigners about India remains stories of the glory of our past and the great spiritual philosophies of this part of the world.

Caught in the habit of celebrating our past ad nauseum, we have long forgotten the need for continuous improvement, continuous global benchmarking, and continuous marching towards perfection. As India celebrates independence from Britain this week, Indians blissfully ignore the fact that they’re slaves of a flawed system of governance erected by Indians themselves, a system which is preventing Indians from becoming productive.

Against this background, KARNATIQUE examines the true India and enquires into the reasons for India’s unproductiveness. We cannot, just cannot reconcile with India having only a past and no future.

While the world awoke to life and freedom, India slept

In these sixty one years, while countries such as Israel and Korea which were reborn around the same time as India have brought themselves out of misery and established themselves as major global players, India at best portrays itself as the maternal home of unproductiveness. This fact is illustrated by the following per-capita nominal GDP statistics as of last year:

India: $978
Indonesia: $1925
South Korea: $19,751
Israel: $22,475.

The above statistics is not just shocking, but outright demeaning. What this means is that on average one South Korean produces approximately 20.2 times more than an Indian, and one Israeli produces 22.9 times more than an Indian. Even an Indonesian produces nearly twice as much as an Indian. And all these are countries which either obtained independence or were formed around 1947, give or take a few years.

One wrong assumption

Many thinkers, economists, analysts and politicians who have tried to understand why Indians are so unproductive have failed bitterly in their attempt because of one wrong assumption underlying their approach: the assumption that India’s existing system of governance needs no reform, and that it is the population of India which needs to be reformed to fit the system.

In the rest of this article, we will show how our system of governance is making it impossible for India to become productive. We argue that India can never be cured of its chronic unproductiveness if we do not reform our system of governance.

How India’s system of governance breeds unproductiveness

While the world has realized the benefits of decentralized systems of governance, India remains predominantly a centralized polity, with the central government poking its nose into issues which are best handled by the states themselves. Subjects such as education and even city traffic which are impossible to be handled from thousands of kilometers away still remain in the central-list or the joint-list. Institutions of the central government follow the undemocratic practice of imposing Hindi on non-Hindi states. The government of India shies away from telling the world the truth that India is a union of linguistic states. Instead, it paints both inside and outside India the wrong picture that all Indians either ought to speak or already do speak Hindi in preference to inferior “regional languages”.

The result of all this is that Indians, who are basically made up of linguistic peoples such as Kannadigas, Bengalis and Telugus, have been confused to eternity when it comes to understanding themselves and the nature of their relationship with the entity called India. Are we Kannadigas or Indians first? Does our own language have what it takes to propel us out of our pitiable state, or not? Do we have to forego our own language in favor of a foreign language such as Hindi or not? Is Hindi the language of bread as opposed to Kannada? Should we, or should we not strive for the unity of Kannadigas? Are cooperation and teamwork the main ingredients of economic success or not? If they are, should Kannadigas and Bengalis cooperate first or Kannadigas cooperate among themselves first? Should our system of governance build a strong India on the shoulders of weak Karnatakas and Tamil Nadus? Can Kannadigas cooperate with each other in a foreign language? Should Kannadigas give up their jobs in favour of Biharis because they are also Indians? Can Kannada be to Kannadigas what Hebrew is to Israelis and what the Korean language is to Koreans – instruments of economic success? Or is it that we and our language are both too inferior to fit the bill?

In short, the undue importance of anything related to the central government or the Hindi language and the utter neglect of anything their own is the cause of utter confusion in Indians, as well as the seed of a feeling of disunity among Indians. It’s a pity that Hindiwallas who set out to unite India with one language, have only ended up fueling disunity inside every linguistic group. Kannadigas stand disunited today because of this flawed system of governance. Whereas our systems need to reinforce everything that unites Kannadigas (of which first and foremost is our language), our systems neglect every one of them.

Once unity vanishes, the possibility of Kannadigas (or any other linguistic people) doing anything together as one people vanishes. Kannadigas (as well as every other linguistic people and thereby Indians) have lost the ability to come together and indulge in any sort of economic activity. How can we build the Samsungs, the Hyundais of Karnataka after removing the first thing that unites us – our language? How can four Kannadigas come together when everything that is common to them is killed?

Because of this basic flaw in India’s system of governance, we, unlike the Koreans, Israelis and Indonesians, have not focused our attention on building institutions which educate Kannadigas and build a sense of unity among them. Instead, we have focused on building institutions for a trivial percentage of India’s population which migrates from one state to other. While our systems focus on making life easy for migrants from North India and a small percentage which speaks English, the people who stay put in their own states (who form the majority) are neglected, and their dormant skills remain untapped. This is how India’s system of governance kills productivity of Indians at its root.

It's high time we reform our system

India’s system of governance needs to be reformed to grant more powers to the states themselves. Each state must be allowed to fully sustain and develop its people by way of forging unity within each linguistic people and erecting the correct systems of governance, education and employment. The migrating minority cannot dictate the systems for the non-migrating majority. The concept of a joint-list must be declared obsolete and subjects in the joint-list must be transferred to the state-list. The central government must basically take charge of issues such as Defense and stop wasting time in things such as vehicular traffic. India must be declared as a multi-lingual state which protects and respects the different linguistic identities.

Linguistic peoples such as the Kannadigas must take up economic reforms on a war footing, keeping their own language central to the reforms. We should realize that unless we Kannadigas build institutions which teach management in Kannada, the Kannadiga people cannot be declared as possessing the skill of management. The same is true for every field of learning. Unless we can discuss Engineering with each other in our own language, we-the-people cannot be considered as a people who possess engineering skills. The state may be likened to the “sahasra sheershaa purushah sahasraakshah sahasrapaat” or a Being with a thousand heads, eyes and legs. How can that Being become productive and sell his wares in the market if his only means of knowledge – his tongue – has been cut?

It’s high time Indians realize this. It’s high time we stop the festivities for a moment and think of the grave problems facing the Indian people. It’s high time we reform our system of governance. It’s high time we started becoming productive and stopped forming the laughing stock of the world when we preach about our glorious past.

39 comments:

Kishore said...

Or is it that we and our language are both too inferior to fit the bill? - Every non-hindi speaker should ask himself this question.

Anywhere in the country one cannot get into a Central Govt. job without the knowledge of Hindi. So this is kind of British system which says only those who speak english can apply for Central Govt jobs. A clear indication from the centre that we dont want non-hindi speaker in the Govt. A situtation will arise where you will have to know hindi to put forth your grievances to officers who may be from Bihar, Bengal, UP, Haryana.. etc. In any case people will have to learn hindi.

India need leaders and it cannot create one by not giving states, enough autonomy to have their own eductational structure which is uninfluenced by foreign languages like Hindi. It is proved all over the world that education recevied in the mother toungue is the best for the child and for the society, still............... the story goes on and on and on.. unless Kannadiga raises his voice and the 3 language policy is abolished as a first step.

Anonymous said...

Indian and Pakistani govt blame each other for any trouble in their backyard...here you have gone one step ahead in blaming migrants for all the problem in Karnataka including india's GDP.. Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal would have become Super power as their citizen don't have to waste time in understanding multiple language.

"WE HATE KANNADA: said...

kannadigas are straightforward & they cannot go against the law. Now the law says Hindi is required and we dont oppose it.

The law says every state should have Hindi inbetween the states official language and english and we dont oppose it. hey its the law you see and it says we should have 3 language policy.

why should we at all have 3 language policy?? whom are we trying to please by having hindi in our governance and in CBSC schools and in centralised banks etc. Though we are well educated in english still we need to learn hindi to be one with India?? Just give me one good benefit which the Karnataka state is receiving by enforcing the 3-language policy.

Enforcing Hindi everywhere is making it easier for Hindians to come and settle down here and start their colonies. It is illegal for a Kannadiga fight for

1) controlling migration
2) pressing govt. to reserve jobs for locals

You are termed as not an Indian, if you fight for group D railway jobs for locals over biharis.

Democracy is left without meaning, the federal structure is just a word in the dictionary
and know what, just add back the disticts and regions brought from Mumbai and Madras. what difference does it make? dont be amazed if the govt declares that Tamil be the official langauge of the south as it is continuing shaastriya bhaasha since 15 years. Its high time south indians understand the need for an official language for south and show patriotism and work towards unifying india by "perfecting" your tamil. Govt stats would come out saying already 30% population in karnataka and 35% population in andhra are speaking tamil and malayalam and tamil are almost the same.

Till say 2015 kannadigas were falling down from hindi buildings and from 2016 onwards kannadigas can fall down from tamil buildings.

please note the underlying caluse which also compells a kannadiga to be completely aware that if he does not know alteast tamil there is no gaurentee that he will get the central government job.

All the students start learning pratha madhyama trutiya in Tamil. Kannadiga will still be a law abiding person mind you and he shall welcome thy imposition and we will been seen outside chennai government offices begging for classical language status for Kannada.

-Chandu
P.S.: pls note that there is no exaggeration in my writing and all which is said above have a great chance of becoming a reality.

Anandatirtha said...

Anonymous,

You've got the article wrong. The author is not saying that countries which don't have to "waste time in understanding multiple languages" will become superpowers. The author is pointing out not external but internal problems due to which India is unproductive. The author is not even saying that migrants are to be blamed for India's low GDP. He is only saying that building systems which do not cater to non-migrants is inherently exclusive...

Anonymous said...

Hindi heartland also have three language policy..Hindi, English and any third language, majority of them choose Sanskrit as it is supposed to be "scoring" subject..though most of them don't use sanskrit in any walk of life after school. Its we who use our Third language to a major extent. I still believe Hindi is made popular by Bollywood and TV..and Bollywood is not by/For Hindi heartland..if you see casting of any hindi movie u will see that most of the technician and other important people behind the scene are from across the country..SO hindi movies can be taken an example where people from across the country are working toward making it popular..can you believe UP and BIhari people to make Hindi moview so popular..let learn from them and make kannada popular not only among kannadiga but across the country.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Anandatirtha, Got the point. Karnataka is not limited to Benguluru.So why the other cities which dont have large population of migrants are not progressing the way Benguluru does. Lets open a discussion on what needs to be done to make Karnataka a developed state.

Anandatirtha said...

Anonymous,

Like the article suggests, our system of governance should be reformed to become more inclusive. Places such as Hubli/Dharwad, Nanjanagud, etc - which consist of "people who stay put in their states" need to be included in our system of governance and education. Currently India's education system only caters to Bangalores whose people are basically migrants or English speaking minorities. The whole system is built only for them. A system which is supposed to cater to a billion people caters to the handful people in the cities.

lakki said...

unless kannadigas hire kannadigas, this issue will still persist. So as long as we dont employ our people, migration keeps happening and locals will suffer.ex are TVS in nanjangud, Infosys in BLR. Also education system should make it mandatory to all schools operating in karnataka to teach kannada as a language/medium of instrcution. This is the official language of the state!! today all ICSE/CBSE other language schools dont teach kannada. So imagine the next generation would never converse in kannada, but in HIndi and English, God save my state and language. I am sick to the gut!!!

Ana said...

Dear Anonymous,

Pakistan , Nepal and bangla have not flourished... because they have not built their systems in their mother tongue. They have also built their education system in english...

We should build a strong education system in kannada, which makes learning easy for kannadigas and which brings the whole world of knowledge in my language.

regards

ana

Anonymous said...

almost everyone has given his concensus that kannada should be the medium of instructions, but the irony is it cannot be enforced even if the govt wishes to. Why? the govt hasn't got enough autonomy to come out tomorrow in public and announce that hey all you kannadigas, lets have kannada medium universities. It just cant do such a thing. Its illegal and void.

Anandatirtha said...

Anonymous,

More than the govt, people should realize that it is Kannada which can improve the life of Kannadigas. People who care for the life of Kannadigas, that is.

Universities worldwide are funded by businessmen, not governments. Our businessmen lack the foresight to dream about long-term improvements which need to happen in their own businesses, let alone Karnataka!

ಅಜೇಯ said...

I think you are mixing two issues - development and language. Korea and Israel are two smaller nations. Its easier for them to make policies that can be enforced. They do not suffer from the problems of India - poverty, a large uneducated population, minority appeasement. As for Pakistan, Nepal or Bangladesh - they have their own host of issues.

Mukunda said...

Ajeya, arguing that India has different problems than Korea and Israel is not equivalent to proposing a solution to them. We need to understand how to solve those "different problems" also.

You forget that Korea and Israel were struggling with poverty and undeducated population (although not large) just 50+ years ago. The question is - how did they solve it?

Of course no state in the world has ever gotten rid of poverty with minority appeasement. Minority appeasement is a predominantly Indian disease, and as the blog post points out, appeasement of "migrating minority" is just another form of that disease.

Now, while it's true that an uneducated population is a sorry thing to have, the fact that India has a large population is not really a deal-breaker. That is, the number is not a problem. The fact that the number is uneducated is the problem. So the question to ask is - how do we educate Indians?

Just as in the case of any large problem, we don't have a choice but to break the problem of educating Indians by breaking it into smaller problems. Those smaller slices are nothing but the linguistic states of India, and educating the linguistic states of India is possible only in the respective languages of the respective states. Not through Hindi, not through English.

Harish said...

It is amazing that the land of Madhva who preached selfishness over altruism , who preached the preservation of individual identity even

during salvation , whose philosophy makes patriotism to your village, town and state in that order mandatory for salvation, whose saints

broke the monopoly of sanskrit in spiritual writing has taken so long to wake up. Ideally speaking the anti-hindi movement should have been

led by kannadigas. But it was led by tamils and until recently we were abusing tamilians as anti-national.

Madhva also made political and social consciousness mandatory for salvation, yet until the large scale influx of tamils , kannadigas had
the lowest political and social consciousness in India

The reason of course is that the Madhva Brahmins never thought it their duty to enlighten their fellow citizens. Their messages were limited to "Be Good and Do Good" which any atheist can tell you.

Anonymous said...

Those smaller slices are nothing but the linguistic states of India and yes to educate the linguistic states through Hindi is not possible. This very basic concept was not understood by leaders then and they decided that by 1965 English be removed and the complete education system be implemented in Hindi.

Even on you currency notes you see only hindi

Anandatirtha said...

Harish,

You make interesting points. I agree that Kannadigas should have led the anti-Hindi movement.

However, it is untrue that Madhvacharya preached "selfishness over altruism". Madhva never preached selfishness over altruism. Please produce one shloka or one passage from any of Madhvacharya's works which preach selfishness over altruism.

Even here when we talk about focusing on Kannadigas, we are not being selfish. Indeed, we are being altruistic. How, you ask? The answer is that it is only when Kannadigas are themselves strong enough that they can help another race. This is as much true of races as it is true of individuals.

Also, Madhva did not ask his disciples to make any special effort to preserve their individual identities at Salvation. Instead, his point was that that individual identity never vanishes. Even here, we are not asking Kannadigas to make any special effort to preserve their indentity as Kannadigas. That is what they are by default. That identity can never vanish...

Anonymous said...

Uncontrolled growth in population is making difficult for any policy to be effective ! Have controller population growth and soon (over a period of a decade at least) we see a radical change in the country's growth. !

Harish said...

Even here when we talk about focusing on Kannadigas, we are not being selfish. Indeed, we are being altruistic. How, you ask? The answer is that it is only when Kannadigas are themselves strong enough that they can help another race. This is as much true of races as it is true of individuals.

Exactly ! When I say selfishness, I did not mean, succeed by destroying others or thinking about only yourself. I meant in the philosophical sense. Even altruism is selfishness ultimately as you earn merit for it. Also as you said ,if you yourself are not strong, how are you going to help others ? Thats why Madhva asked you to think about your well being and strength first,so you can serve others. Otherwise you can talk about wellbeing of the world , but that will remain talk only as you dont have the power to accomplish it.

If you cannot fight for your own state, how can you fight for India ? During Kargil war, it was Tamil Nadu which contributed the maximum to the Kargil fund. Coz they are used to fighting for themselves so they fought for India as well. What was karnatakas contribution ? Also kannadigas keep saying India is more important than karnataka.But if you look at the Indian army tamils easily outnumber kannadigas.

Harish said...

Also, Madhva did not ask his disciples to make any special effort to preserve their individual identities at Salvation. Instead, his point was that that individual identity never vanishes

You are missing my point. The fact is he laid emphasis on individual identity and detested the notion of the individual soul losing its identity in a greater universal soul. Whether it was a fact he pointed out or he preached it is immaterial here. He stood for everyone retaining his identity and asked them to reject ideas of losing ones identity for a greater cause. So by extension we should be most concerned about preserving our kannadiga-ness than anybody else ( their respective regional identity ).Otherwise we are not living the life he wanted us to, merely paying lip service to a great man.

Harish said...

Also why is the population of karnataka so low ? For the given area it is too low. Other South Indians are saying kannadigas are the laziest, they are too lazy to even have sex !

Anonymous said...

Harish Avare,
Dont mind what others say about we being lazy and lazy to have sex. We have controlled population growth in Karnataka. The overpopulation of India is not due to Karnataka. I can only laugh at those who criticise us and I dont revolt or react to them. I have more important work to do which will affect the root cause and bring changes in the society. Development of Kannnada Kannadiga and Karunaadu should be our goal.

Anonymous said...

harish avare,
I know its hard to avoid critiqes as they prick our self respect. Stand a step above them and you will see yourself working towards the root cause - for the development of Kannada, Kannadiga and Karunadu and while being busy, you will scorn those who criticise us for what we are.

Anandatirtha said...

Harish,

I fully agree with your prescription for what Kannadigas ought to be doing, but disagree with the way in which you are bringing Madhva philosophy into the discussion here.

It is not true that Madhva "detested the notion" of the individual soul losing its identity. Madhva only said that there is no question of the individual soul losing its identity and becoming one with the universal soul.

Madhva's teachings in this context is summarized in the pramEya shlOka which contains the words "tattvatah bhEdAH" - i.e., the (five) differences are real.

To detest the notion of losing that identity, the first thing that should exist is the possibility of that identity getting lost. When that possibility itself is denied in "tattvatah bhEdAH", there is no question of detesting the "bhEdAH".

Do you see the difference between preaching differences and accepting differences as real? According to Madhva, individual souls can never be one with the universal soul. I have to add that this is true whether or not the individual soul detests or loves to become one with the universal soul.

Further, your statement that "He stood for everyone retaining his identity and asked them to reject ideas of losing ones identity for a greater cause." needs the support of a quote from Madhva to be considered as true. Please quote the necessary shlokas/mantras/bhashyas.

Again, even here you make the mistake of painting the picture of a Madhva who is asking people to do something special to retain their identities. That is incorrect, and against the basic belief that the differences are real and constant.

Anandatirtha said...

Harish,

Please write to me on atirtha AT gmail DOT com. We can discuss this offline.

Anandatirtha said...

Sorry. Typo. Use antirtha AT gmail DOT com

Anonymous said...

I agree to Harish to a certain extent when he says that Kannadiga have the perception of being lazy. Few of the examples they quote are, Most of the landlords here are from Andhra, Mining lords are from Andhra, Big builders are from Kerala, Owners of big business chains including malls are from kerala, Wholesale market of metals are owned by Marwaris from Rajashthan, IT compines have people from all parts of India..even TV channels/FM are from outside state except Gowdas home TV.

I think we lack the enterprising skill. Good point is Benguluru is major business destination and in the process Jobs are being created for Kannadiga which otherwise would have gone to other states.

Mukunda said...

I agree with Harish. Karnataka and Kannadigas need to focus internally. We have had enough of looking outside.

editor, KARNATIQUE said...

Harish,

We had argued on our Kannada blog ENGURU that population is not a problem for Karnataka:

http://enguru.blogspot.com/2007/07/blog-post_3857.html

Anonymous said...

Awesome article (url above) in enguru which pulls up the data from censusindia showing clearly that our population is inline with the growing economies of the world. The states which are overpopulated are a menace to India and not Karnataka.

Hindia, control your migration, give us autonomy in everything, abolish 3-language policy, then we shall not only develop our land but we will also contribute to growth of India.

Anonymous said...

Is Uttar Pradesh is competing with Karnataka and TN as investment destination..

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Gujarat_biggest_investment_destination/articleshow/3369484.cms

ராஜ் (Raj / రాజు్) said...

Great article, Banavasi Balaga! The true reason for India's utter backwardness is this stupid quasi-federal structure of our country coupled with the disgusting policy of imposition of the regional language Hindi on the people of non-Hindi states. A massive country like India should act as a confederation of states if any progress is to be made. First, the notorious official language act of the central government should be completely abolished and English should be made the sole language for centre-state and inter-state communication between states and union territories that do not share the same language. Then the central government should restrict itself only to the areas of defence (and not for the so-called "internal security") and external affairs and overall monetary policy that should be decided in consultation with the states. Everything else should be left to the states. And the states should further devolve power to the local bodies.

Switzerland, despite being a small country, is a confederation and a participatory democracy in the truest sense of the words as they have four national languages and three official languages with English acting as an unofficial link language. This is because English is not a Swiss language. In a country like India where English IS an Indian language and the only pan-Indian language (Hindi is merely the regional language of a few states in one region of the country), only English can serve as a common link language. Only English can unite India. A regional language like Hindi will hopelessly divide India and imposing the regional language of the Hindians will spell total doom for the country that makes up one sixth of the world's population (where only a minority speak the regional language Hindi).

The three language policy is complete bullshit as it is shamelessly discrminatory. The Hindians learn Hindi and Sanskrit and other languages are not even offered in the Hindi states while the regional language of the Hindians is imposed the people of other states that puts a severe strain on the children of those states who have to learn a totally unnecessary regional language called Hindi.

Tamil Nadu never had the nasty three language policy because we fought for our linguistic rights as they are a part of our basic human rights! Tamils will never let the Hindians or their boot-lickers elsewhere to even think of tampering with our linguistic rights!

The reason why Tamils are not divided on the basis of caste or religion or district is because Tamils identify much, much more with our language than with things like caste or religion. Ofcourse, we are very aware of our linguistic rights and will never, ever tolerate the imposition of the regional language of the Biharis and Uttar Pradeshis on us.

I don't know why one commentator thinks that the central government will impose Tamil on the people of the South. The notorious central government's only agenda is to impose the regional language Hindi on the people of non-Hindi states. They don't really care about anything else. That is why India is still such a backward, developing country. The imposition of Tamil will never, ever happen as, unlike the Hindians (who are so insecure about their regional language that they want to impose it on non-Hindians), Tamils don't impose our language on the people of other states. As far as I know, there are more differences between Malayalam and Tamil than those between Telugu and Kannada. Even in the South, English is the best link language. Tamil or any-invented language taking the common features of the five Southern languages cannot act as a link language of the South. English is best suited for this job. (Ofcourse, the regional language Hindi has no place here or in any other non-Hindi state.)

My thanks to Harish for acknowledging that the largest contribution made during the Kargil war was from Tamil Nadu. We are Indians BECAUSE we don't speak the regional language Hindi. By speaking Hindi and watching cheap, useless Bollywood movies, one will only become a stooge of the Hindians and not Indians. Hindia is just a part of India and Hindi is a just a regional language. Though the Hindians spread filthy lies about Tamils being "anti-nationals" because we stand for federalism and true democracy with equal respect to all the national languages of India, the fact is that Tamil Nadu's opposition of Hindi fascist linguo-nazism during the 1960's is the thing that has kept India united and peaceful because English has continued as the link language. If the Hindians had succeeded in their nefarious designs of imposing their regional language on the people of other states and wiping out our national languages, every state in India would have had secessionist movements. The technology and IT revolutions led by Bengaluru would never have happened had the Hindians succeeded in their notorious designs of wiping out English and other national languages and imposing their regional language on others. It's great that other broad-minded patriotic people have begun opposing the imposition of the regional language of the Hindians on the majority of Indians.

Harish said...

The worst thing is if you learn hindi and go to north india and speak it , you are ridiculed and made fun of and even beaten up and chased for speaking a strange language ! The reason being north indians dont speak hindi , they speak hindustani. NI cannot understand hindi and they teach us a language which they cannot understand . What a bunch of jokers we have up north !

ராஜ் (Raj / రాజు్) said...

Harish,

What you say is quite true. Even if people speak Hindi, the Hindians would never accept it as their regional language. Take Mumbaikars for instance. Unfortunately, Mumbaikars are forgetting their own beautiful national language, Marathi, in order to learn the regional language of the Hindians and watch crappy Bollywood movies that are made in Mumbai.

The Hindians refer to Mumbai as "Bambaee" and call the Hindi spoken in Mumbai as "Bambaiyya Hindi" and mock and make fun of Mumbaikars for speaking this language. Now criminal scoundrels like Abu Azmi want to violently replace Marathi with Hindi as the language of the Mumbai Corporation. It's great that Maharashtra has truly patriotic broad-minded Indians like Rajsaheb Thackeray and his Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS) to fight the notorious designs of the Biharis and Uttar Pradeshis in Mumbai and Maharashtra. The "mainstream media" is also spreading filthy lies about the MNS. Actually the MNS is the only party that stands for the Marathi "manoos" as the Shiv Sena has degraded into a communal party that targets Muslims (even if they are Maharashtrians).

The Hindians also make fun of Hyderabadis for speaking Dakhini but Dakhini does not have much to do with Hindi. It is Deccani Urdu that is based on Marathi grammar with a lot of words and influence from Telugu.

If Bengalurigas speak Hindi, the Hindians would probably make fun of the them for speaking "Baengalor Hindi". Bengalurigas must speak only Kannada and not Hindi if they don't want to be mocked and ridiculed by the Uttar Pradeshis and Biharis.

Anonymous said...

Raj is an enlightened individual. For that matter, all south indians are very braod minded and tolerant. We need to stress for the need to have English and only English as the official language of India. The army would then require people who know hindi. The central govt. would still need people who know hindi.. how to change this.

Apologies, as I said central govt. is trying to impose Tamil in the south. Thanks Raj for coming out with your comments. Lets start writing about the NEED for English and only ENGLISH to be our NATIONAL LANGUAGE. Only English can be our link language.

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

This is something that recently happened in my office. A tamilien colleague of mine was so desperate to learn Hindi. She actually started by wanting to learn Kannada and ended up wanting to learn hindi cos most people in my team speak Hindi. She being a tamilien did not have Hindi in her school and started feeling very bad about this. I asked her why she wanted to learn Hindi. She said it's the national language, so I want to learn it. Then I told her about the fact that India has 22 national languages, I also showed to her how the tamil people had once agitated against Hindi imposition. From then, she got back her pride in her own language and also started respecting Kannada :) from next day she started speaking lot many kannada words. I felt very happy about this

Anonymous said...

Mr. Anonymous, in no way your work is lesser than an achievement. Instilling pride in our way of living can be brought about by a leader and you are one. I have high regard for my land but now I have also started respecting Kannadigas very deeply. Kannada should be awarded the classical status and encourage a feeling equality among south indians.

ராஜ் (Raj / రాజు్) said...

Anonymous (1),

It's okay. I know that there is so much animosity between Karnataka and TN that many Kannadigas and Tamils are very suspicious of each other.

Central government staff in TN are not required to know Hindi as we will never tolerate Hindi imposition, though the notorious Hindi fascists in the central government try to push their regional language called Hindi. If a central government staff is posted in Karnataka, (s)he should know Kannada, Bengali in West Bengal, Tamil in Tamil Nadu, Telugu in Andhra Pradesh, Marathi in Maharashtra and so on, apart from English of course! There should be no need to learn the regional language Hindi unless one is posted in a Hindi state. The army does not need to speak Hindi either. Why should Indian troops speak a language that can be completely understood by the enemy army (Pakistani army) on a battlefield? It would be so easy for the Pakistanis to intercept, understand and crack the codes used by our army if they are in Hindi as the Pakistanis speak a language that is very similar to Hindi. In WWII, the Japanese army could not crack the codes of the Americans after they switched to Navajo (a Native American language) to transmit codes. The Japanese did not know a word of Navajo. On the other hand, a Pakistani would know Hindi like the back of his hand!

I agree that South Indians [as well as those from the West, the East, the North-East and the North-North-West (Sikhs and Kashmiris)] are broad-minded and tolerant when it comes to the issue of language. It is only the Hindi imposition fanatics from the cow-belt who are narrow-minded. They cannot think beyond their regional language called Hindi. Broad-minded Indians should never let the Hindians touch our national languages under any pretext. If there is one language that can act as a link language in India, it can only be English!

Infact, the people of states like Maharashtra, Gujarat and Punjab are so eager to forget their own mother tongues to learn Hindi that Marathi, Gujarati and Punjabi are slowly but steadily being replaced by the regional language of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh. I hope Kannadigas do not allow such a thing to happen in Karnataka.

Anonymous (2),

Thanks a lot for informing your Tamil colleague about India's national languages. Most Tamils are very proud that we do not learn Hindi. Why should we waste our time and effort learning the regional language of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh when we have so many more important and useful subjects to learn? Do the Biharis and Uttar Pradeshis learn Tamil or Kannada or Marathi or Ahomiya or any other language? We are very proud of the Tamil film industry as well and cheap, useless Bollywood bullshit does not have a market here. Why should Tamils watch the regional cinema of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh that is made in "Bambaee" in the regional language of the Hindians? Do the Biharis and Uttar Pradeshis watch Tamil or Telugu or Malayalam or Kannada or Bengali or Marathi cinema?

It is one thing to be tolerant towards others. It is a completely different thing to lack pride in one's own culture and forget one's own mother tongue and be eager to take pride in the cheap, useless, plagiarised crap called Bollywood (many of which are produced by terrorists, underworld dons, thugs, goons and other assorted criminals) that is meant for the people of states like Bihar and Uttar Pradesh (and for the people of Pakistan).

koolkrik said...

This debate can go on and on...
The fact we need to realize is that india is too big a country to be administered effectively. Oops, let me modify that, India is too diverse a country...as many people rightly pointed out, there is no common link binding the north and south. ULFA conducts attacks on hindi-speakers, people from the south are discriminated against in the north, and north indians aren't really welcome here either.
The need of the hour is to break down the administrative powers so that each state is a separate federal entity, with drastic increase in decision-making freedom. A centralized committee sitting on their behinds at delhi can't decide whats good for karnataka, or any other state, for that matter.

But we all what the chances of that happening are...

Susheel said...

True "Koolkrik". This debate can go on and on.. but I just cannot go stop reading this article over and over and I think I will frame this article somewhere. preferably in my mind. Mindboggling article.

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