tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post2202695439715310514..comments2023-12-17T14:30:09.107+05:30Comments on KARNATIQUE: Mumbai in questionKiran Batnihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15275674146188053027noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-63209371127972128182010-02-03T23:07:41.120+05:302010-02-03T23:07:41.120+05:30i have to disagree about what abhishek said..i don...i have to disagree about what abhishek said..i dont know what he is thinking and if he is truely a kannadiga..I live in nj..and visit bengaluru very frequently..the vegetable vendors,auto drivers no one speaks kannada anymore...its kinda of sad to see the state of kannada.<br />immigration of other people from different parts of india are welcome..but at what cost??? people who come to settle in bengaluru should blend with the kannadigas and learn or at least try to speak kannada..no one does...they never even try to make an effort...on the other hand they try to push or influence their culture/traditions..ignoring completely kannadiga traditions...this i think is not fair..<br />and the great abhishek said that bengaluru would have been laid back if not for the immigrants and competition..give us a break on that abhishek...i dont know in what context you used this word..cox laid back attitutde is a individual attribute..its each once own personality..not all kannadigas are like that...<br />look at all the great kannadigas who have contributed to this society..(.i hope you know some of them at least...).are they laid back????<br />the only things the immigrants have done to bengaluru is rise in real estate,introducing the name "supari killers"making bengaluru dirty...traffic jams..thats what we got from them...<br />so when you write something like this so sensitive...u need to think about 2 sides of the coin...gowrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08825668699934475284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-75286257609713990622008-12-23T12:57:00.000+05:302008-12-23T12:57:00.000+05:30It's just a matter of time b4 the northies overwhe...It's just a matter of time b4 the northies overwhelm the ppl of karnataka....These morons with their huge populations keep coming in droves...Drastic steps should be taken...Only d educated n skilled northies should be allowed so as 2 develop our state...d rest of these illiterate idiots(which r huge in number) should be thrown out...bt who will take such steps? Sadly no 1...D way these monkeys keep coming it ll be a matter of time b4 hindi will be d language of bangalore... V have to stop them my dear friendsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-12371386251465546142008-07-23T18:21:00.000+05:302008-07-23T18:21:00.000+05:30Raj, it's good to know tht all tamilians r not lik...Raj, it's good to know tht all tamilians r not like this... I wish every Indian understands the value of every state, it's culture n it's language... only then India can b India n karnataka, kannada can prosper in such an IndiaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-61347255703466000162008-07-19T23:27:00.000+05:302008-07-19T23:27:00.000+05:30The imposition of the regional language of states ...The imposition of the regional language of states like UP and Bihar on the people of other states is the cause for all the problems in India. The regional language of Hindia can never unite India. It will only divide India. Hindia is not India and Hindi is NOT the national language of India! Either all languages are regional langugaes with English, which IS an Indian language, the only pan-Indian link language or all languages spoken in India (including English) are national languages!<BR/><BR/>I don't know why people have been fooled into believing the bullshit dished out by Hindians that Hindi is the national language of India.<BR/><BR/>The violence in Maharashtra against people from UP and Bihar was not started by Rajsaheb Thackeray. It started because Hindi speaking people from UP and Bihar, supported by criminal goons like Abu Azmi, wanted to violently replace Marathi with Hindi in Mumbai. The Maharashtra Navnirman Sena could never tolerate such a thing. Also, the violence was not against all outsiders, not even all Hindians for that matter. It was only against Hindi imperialists from UP and Bihar who wanted to wipe out the national language of the people of Maharashtra from Mumbai and replace it with their own language. Rajsaheb Thackeray only opposes such narrow-minded regionalism and Hindi fascist linguo-nazism of the Hindians in general and the Uttar Pradeshis and Biharis in particular. Non-Hindi states need broad-minded patriotic politicians like Rajsaheb Thackeray. It is the only way to ensure that the most corrupt, most criminal and most notorious politicians from UP and Bihar do not ruin India. The criminal politicians of UP and Bihar have ruined those two states completely and now they want to ruin the whole of India. Nobody wants the whole of India to be turned into UP or Bihar.<BR/><BR/>@Sandhya: Not all the people from Tamil Nadu are like the people in your company. I can understand Kannada to a certain extent though I have never lived in Karnataka. I cannot understand Hindi to the extent I can understand Kannada. Besides, I would learn the national language of the people of the state where I live and not Hindi. It makes me sad to read about your experience at the interview, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-23935320068240704202008-07-04T19:54:00.000+05:302008-07-04T19:54:00.000+05:30hi... talkin abt reginalism... i want to share wit...hi... talkin abt reginalism... i want to share with u ppl wht happened in my BE's wipro interview... I am a person born n brought up in Bangalore... I hd a frn in BE from Chennai... we both hd made it to the hr interview... my frnd gt recruited cos she was from chennai n the interviewer was from chennai.. all tht happened in her interview was: "wher r u from?... from chennai (though she's been livin in Bangalore from past 10 yrs )... oh gr8!! I'm from chennai too... thnk u "... thts all was the interview... I till now in my experience hv nt seen any Kannadiga do this. I think the kannadiga courtesy n honesty is itself showing all the bad effects n becomin the cause for Kannadigas. There's no solution to such ppl.. is there? whom can we complain to? <BR/><BR/>n one more thin.. ppl from tamil nadu in my company r tryin to learn hindi.. !!! look at the state of Kannada n bangalore.. whn i told thm to learn kannada, I was laughed at... alas, I don know wht to do :(.....ಆಗ ಸಂಜೇ ಆಗಿತ್ತ......https://www.blogger.com/profile/11176529072965592020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-40694872343543254212008-06-29T12:07:00.000+05:302008-06-29T12:07:00.000+05:30Mumbai's proudest asset Lata Mangeshkar is from In...Mumbai's proudest asset Lata Mangeshkar is from Indore, Madhya Pradesh, <BR/><BR/>That's news to me, thanx 4 adding to my GK, I used to believe she her roots were very much in GOa and her Kuldaivat was Mangeshi. BTW if the Maharashtrian settled in MP (which was the part of Maratha empire) comes back to their hometown to Maharashtra can not be called as 'migrant' isn't it? <BR/><BR/>Thank you blogger for voicing our agony ....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-21884889804061306622008-03-08T05:25:00.000+05:302008-03-08T05:25:00.000+05:30I also believe that Hindi has never united in Indi...I also believe that Hindi has never united in India. Rather, it has been the cause of divide. I also support Jughead's point. What if the outsider takes 15 - 20 years to understand local culture? Suppose the migrant has settled here, we are not asking him/her to forget his/her culture. They are free to practice their own culture at their home in Karnataka. They are free to talk in any language at their home. While out in public, as a basic courtesy to the state which has provided them livelihood, cant they speak in the local language? By promoting Hindi, we are destroying the local culture. <BR/>I have a question here: what is the problem with North Indians in speaking in English - atleast if they can't speak in kannada? I really want to know the reason for English hatred among North Indians. All those people who say 'we should think like Indians first', fail to understand that English is what is uniting and progressing the country. Why cant these people promote English?kannadigahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09098766378457328979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-25842124428578281172008-03-08T01:25:00.000+05:302008-03-08T01:25:00.000+05:30Hey man... chetan.. i think there are some people ...Hey man... chetan.. i think there are some people who understand the real point behind raj,s activity in mumbai and dont get fooled by the incorrect presentation by Hindi Media...the reason why this caused a huge agitation is that people are really fed up with this people... they dont talk marathi.. they question why shold we talk in marathi..there are all central offices in mumbai like VSNL, MTNL, RBI,etc u will find 95% of the people in these offices are Non Marathis.... & they talk about parochilism....railways u will find all the people in are bhaiyyas even in south u will find most bhaiiyas in railways.... they shold understand what local are going through.. otherwise some day or other it will lead to bloodshed..these people come here grab the land .. free water conncetion, free electricity.. that is why local taxpayer is suffering...he is not getting the facilities he shold get....maharashtra, karnataka, gujrat , andhra, tamilnadu is progressing and the revenue which we send to centre is more distributed to up and bihar... states.. u must have seen the railway budget u can understand... i support raj for his stand... either this will happen now or never.....lalithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12751932440616602971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-36228153286732071072008-03-07T23:58:00.000+05:302008-03-07T23:58:00.000+05:30Personally I consider these things to be of artifi...Personally I consider these things to be of artificial creations.This can be easily verified when you go out on the streets and ask somebody who he is ? He will tell you I am a tamil , bengali , gujarati , punjabi , jat , gowda or iyer.Nobody says I am an Indian.<BR/><BR/>This "India" and the "Idea of India" has been invented by North Indians to exploit others. According to this "Idea of India" Maharashtrians and Kannadigas and ppl of North-East have to give up their livelihood and jobs to support the North Indians. They have to give preference to North Indians first.<BR/><BR/>In retrun what the North Indians do ? Nothing. In the 50 years of independence , the North-Eastern states have been exploited for their jute and timber but no development has been given in return. Even educated North Indians do not know the names of the NE states and simply refer to their inhabitants as "Chinkis" or Chinese.<BR/><BR/>North Indians did not know the name of the four south indian states till the software revolution. Once anybody makes a lot of money North Indians begin to get to know them very well. Very crude type of people.<BR/><BR/>North Indians also make a hue and cry about cross-border terrorism but did nothing when Srilankan Navy routinely harrassed tamil fisherman.Only LTTE gave protection. North Indians also not able to stop influx of Muslims from Bangladesh who have ruined NE states. If NE states had been independent , they would have dealt with bangladeshi immigrant problem by now.<BR/><BR/>Essentially we have a selfish gang of looters and punderers using terms like "India" and "Idea of India" to arrogate all resources of the country for themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-66589176742202191252008-03-07T23:42:00.000+05:302008-03-07T23:42:00.000+05:30What is this India and Indian ? I think these term...What is this India and Indian ? I think these terms are artificial creations.This can be easily realised when we go to somebody and ask him , who are you ? Nobody ever says Indian.Everybody says I am a tamil , mallu , bengali , punjabi , gowda , jat , jha or Iyer.This India does not exist at all except in the mind of ill-thinking liberals.<BR/><BR/>India has been invented to further North Indian Imperialism. The concept of "Idea of India" serves North Indian exploitation only. According to this grand idea , Marathis and Kannadigas should starve so that North Indians can eat well and sleep well. If we object to it we are narrow-minded and parochial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-51007571686921243472008-03-07T21:17:00.000+05:302008-03-07T21:17:00.000+05:30Anonymous,Hindi has never united India. The whole ...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>Hindi has never united India. The whole funda that one language needs to be newly employed to unite India shows that unity does not exist. There is no unity in India when it comes to language, or in general when it comes to any other diversity such as culture, race, caste, etc. The point is to accept this diversity and celebrate it. Not talk as if the diversity itself does not exist.<BR/><BR/>I agree that outsiders should be given time to soak in local language and culture. But what if that time is 10 years? What if that time is 2-3 generations? What if those generations after generations of outsiders develop the audacity to start demeaning local culture / language and go to the extent of replacing locals completely in jobs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-14835473535789198972008-03-07T17:13:00.000+05:302008-03-07T17:13:00.000+05:30Friends, dont be extremist is our views. Local cul...Friends, dont be extremist is our views. Local culture/ language must be respected but not to be point of effacing identity of the 'outsider' because all of us are at one time or other were outsiders. Just give time to so called outsider to soak in the local culture. Roal of Hindi in national unification can not be belittled.Dont disparage others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-18847460080906075272008-03-06T15:14:00.000+05:302008-03-06T15:14:00.000+05:30Those who say we dont learn Marathi will lose out ...Those who say we dont learn Marathi will lose out and always remain an outsider in Mumbai. I dont support the violence but this kind of reaction was bound to happen. Centre should wake up and discontinue its apathy towards Maharashtra. Marathi and Maharashtrians are being marginazlised in their own land.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-59250827370849825042008-03-02T01:51:00.000+05:302008-03-02T01:51:00.000+05:30These people call us 'parochial' when we try to br...These people call us 'parochial' when we try to bring up our language & traditions. When will they realize that they are being parochial too, when they enforce Hindi everywhere? Isnt this similar to goondaism?kannadigahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09098766378457328979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-77603944395513009572008-03-01T03:39:00.000+05:302008-03-01T03:39:00.000+05:30some one called abhishekh, who claims himself to b...some one called abhishekh, who claims himself to be kannadiga ironically says hindi to be national language,,,,,i have some thing to discuss in regard,,,,<BR/>keep aside philosophies,it is universal truth,natures law that we all human beings have our own unique set of genes & every one is unique,and we need to be one identity at one time,you can be either male or female at one but can not be both,thats something against rule of nature,,,<BR/>in the same way we can truely saying either kannadiga or indian at a time,,,,we individuals carry a strong,basic bond like basically can be either kannadiga,marathi,bengali,tamilian,punjabi,,,gujrATHI ,this bond forms 'core' etc,though politically we have some sort of arrangement which is outer layer & tends to be very fragile as compared former basic bond and quite natually,,, so this thin fragile layer surrounds the core basic bond,in such situation when a force tries to manipulate that 'core' it rips off the outer layer which has weak bond with core,,,<BR/>when former the soviet union when went ahead to impose its communist rule on it's union states,,,it succumbed with break up of USSR,,<BR/>in indian context,,the indian union is using 'hindianisation'instead of communalism,,no more differences,,,,so the result seems to be similar,,,,only solution is doing away with Hindianisation,,other wise the concept of INDIA it self for all certain disappear.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02635317994225916430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-11457633966294964802008-02-25T13:04:00.000+05:302008-02-25T13:04:00.000+05:30Congrats for this courageous and truthful blog. I ...Congrats for this courageous and truthful blog. I agree with most of the points here.<BR/><BR/>Please see my views at<BR/><BR/>http://vasanthseshadri.wordpress.com/2008/02/14/violence-in-maharashtra-the-root-cause/Vasanth Seshadrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06125872607137064315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-87958818858041141122008-02-24T15:59:00.000+05:302008-02-24T15:59:00.000+05:30Outsiders come here to make their fortune - not to...Outsiders come here to make their fortune - not to develop Bangalore. Since when did outsiders stop doing favouritism here?<BR/>We should stop replying to outsiders in Hindi. Our ignorance that Hindi is the national language must go. India does not have any national language. As per 2001 census, only 41% of indian population consider hindi as mother tongue. This means remaining 59% (majority) does not speak hindi.kannadigahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09098766378457328979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-77586253905239880112008-02-20T00:06:00.000+05:302008-02-20T00:06:00.000+05:30Again, an excellent post! To every individual who ...Again, an excellent post! To every individual who says "why should we learn Marathi, its not fruitful is it." Well, sadly thats not the attitude I subscribe too, everything doesnt boil down to black and white will it help will it not equations. The Germans could have spoken in English, did they? So could have the French? So could have the Chinese? You see, what makes us unique is the fact that I am a Maharashtrian and I bring with myself certain cultural values and ethos, so does someone from Karnataka, or Tamil Nadu or Mizoram. However, to impose and dictate a certain language and to show a completely lack dismal attitude to the language of the state you are living in is not acceptable. Dont be fluent in Marathi, but at least give it a shot! I know I'd do the same if I were in Bengal or Gujarat or Kerala, because that is what makes me Indian..not wheather I speak in Hindi or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-21248309844825749492008-02-15T05:58:00.000+05:302008-02-15T05:58:00.000+05:30Kush,1. It's political because the migration of Hi...Kush,<BR/><BR/>1. It's political because the migration of Hindiwallas to non-Hindi states is the effect of the political ambitions of a handful few who secured the undemocratically higher status to Hindi during the time the constitution of India was being written.<BR/><BR/>2. Because Marathi is the language of the land in Maharashtra, and as days progress, Marathi language and people should improve. With this, the usage of Marathi language should increase. If outsiders don't learn Marathi, they are the losers.<BR/><BR/>3. Mumbai - or for that matter Bangalore - must welcome all as long as the local language, culture and people are not affected in a bad way.<BR/><BR/>4. The very reason why the Hindi film industry is biggest in India is because of Hindi imposition all over India. There was no reason why students in Mah or Kar should have ever learnt Hindi. First they were made to learn, and then the Hindi film industry came about. So y'see? This is also political.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-52228116894997629352008-02-14T18:40:00.000+05:302008-02-14T18:40:00.000+05:30"What it was which has motivated the uncontrolled ..."What it was which has motivated the uncontrolled migration of Hindiwallas to Mumbai to the total detriment of the Marathis, what it was which has motivated the feeling that Marathi is the language of a lesser God inside Maharashtra itself! Wasn't that motivation also "political"?" <BR/><BR/>Political?!?! Pray how? Ppl migrating to Mumbai frm all over India is akin to ppl frm all over the world immigrating to NYC in search of better lives and opportunuites! What's <I>political</I> in it?<BR/>2ndly, why would you wantt them to learn Marathi when they can do without?<BR/>3rdly, Mumbai must follow the example of NYC and welcome all. The Govt. must ensure equal right to all so that li'l scope remains for communal clashes. Why must a Marathi be preferred over a Mallu or a Punjabi -- wouldn't that be unconstitutional?<BR/>4thly, the Hidni film industry happens to be biggest happens to be in Bombay may be because it is the commercial capital not besides being the Marathi capital.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02927491579834934382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-7128431412324132922008-02-13T17:57:00.000+05:302008-02-13T17:57:00.000+05:30abishek anta nan maklu irodrindle naveu kannadadav...abishek anta nan maklu irodrindle naveu kannadadavaru oost agirodu.<BR/>asking for kannada and fighting for rights of kannadigas in karnataka is not regionalism or fanaticism. Fanaticism is if i want kannada to be in west bengal.. dont u get it? when i want to do business in bengalooru, i would want to do it in kannada the language , not in the language of one ***hole northie who comes here to make a living. he is a fanatic and all outsiders are fanatic if they come here, never learn kannada, never respond in kannada when someone speaks to them in kannada and never gets into the mainstream of the local culture and life. Abhishek will realise when he loses his job to a tamil just because the interviewer was a tamil / or lose a promotion to a bengali just because the manager is a bengali!! ee tara sariyagi goota ikkiskondre gottagutte.. how they have brought in competitive idea .. nan maklu avaru madidre regionalism alla.. navu kelidre maatra regionalism.. abishek man!! open your eyes to reality.. ilandre nale nin maklige karnatakadalli jaaga irolla.. bihar ge hogi jeevana madbekgutte!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-66515139809735539882008-02-13T15:37:00.000+05:302008-02-13T15:37:00.000+05:30I am a person who is very interested in the idea o...I am a person who is very interested in the idea of a language and hence have made an effort to learn quite a few languages. Each language has it's own beauty and NOBODY can "induce abhimaana"! That is by far the most ridiculous idea I've heard so far! It's as good as threatening someone to like someone/something.<BR/>Coming to the post.. I don't understand the need of showing Anybody that you like and respect your language or any other language especially through something as barbaric as violence. <BR/>Idealists still dream of a borderless world and here we are fighting inside the range of a country the size of India. God save our country from falling apart.Kriti Kalwadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03085729398000796309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-70465566911509235562008-02-12T19:15:00.000+05:302008-02-12T19:15:00.000+05:30Well said Vinu.NAN PRAKARA THE PROBLEM HERE IN KAR...Well said Vinu.<BR/><BR/>NAN PRAKARA THE PROBLEM HERE IN KARNATAKA IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. <BR/><BR/>What i feel is that the Kannada should be made compulsory from standard 1 to 2nd PUC. Doesnt matter which school or college. Avaga students ge Kannada bagge abhimana bande baratte. I have seen schools in Bengalooru where the students speak in other languages apart from Kannada, English and so called national language hindi. This is a very bad development for us.<BR/><BR/>"GIDAVAGI BAGGADDU MARAVAGI BAGGEETHE"<BR/><BR/>So the root cause is that Kannada is not made compulsory.<BR/><BR/>I think Mr.ABHISHEK has completed his schooling and college in these kind of school and college. I think its better if Mr. ABHISHEK shuts his mouth and dont blog any more.Nandan S Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03416329898605901013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-26477601990761719822008-02-12T17:08:00.000+05:302008-02-12T17:08:00.000+05:30I am A PROUD KANNADIGA staying (temporarily ;) ) a...I am A PROUD KANNADIGA staying (temporarily ;) ) abroad, met lots of foreigners who have travelled lengths and breadths of india...what they appreicate is : "UNITY AMONGST DIVERSITY". TRY AND PRESERVE IT NOT DESTROY IT. I completely agree with the blog.<BR/>SISYAN ENGURU...LEVELL-E BERE ARTICLE DU..KURCHI MELE NINTKONDU CHAPPALE THATTIDINI :)<BR/>/DGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2175348182143701206.post-36778773349187642062008-02-12T16:49:00.000+05:302008-02-12T16:49:00.000+05:30To hell with these ####### guy abhishek. Its becau...To hell with these ####### guy abhishek. Its because of people like you we kannadiga's are facing so much problem everywhere. First get your thinking right do not bend your $$$ in front of outsiders to jump & screw instead screw theirs, yes it requires guts which i doubt you may not have.<BR/><BR/>So stop supporting outsiders and instead help kannadiga's in a way u could.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07959764223623867989noreply@blogger.com